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17:18:40brixenmorning
17:20:10evanmorning.
17:24:54brixenthe newest rev of firefox is just dog slow
17:25:05brixenand I have like 10% of my usual tabs open
17:40:00rueStill on 3.0.16 because 3.5 broke stuff.
19:28:14tenderloveevan: yo!
19:28:18evanyo.
19:28:19tenderloveI thought I'd bother you in here
19:28:25tenderloverather than spam caboose
19:28:27evank
19:28:43tenderloveshould I *not* use llvm from macports?
19:28:49tenderloveI'm getting a build error on master
19:29:03tenderlovehttps://gist.github.com/d65d16e299fceb4b5141
19:29:21tenderlovelooks like it's because of llvm from macports
19:29:58evani have no clue what llvm version is in macports
19:30:20evanbut it appears to not be working
19:30:23evani'd remove it
19:30:27evanand use the prebuilt
19:30:34evando you need LLVM for something else?
19:31:14tenderloveno. I was going to use it for building macruby
19:31:18tenderlovebut I'm too lazy
19:31:19tenderlove;-)
19:32:39BrianRice-workyeah, macports seems to not have a suitable maintainer. perhaps a volunteer could fix that, though.
19:32:55BrianRice-worker, llvm-on-macports
19:33:51Defilertenderlove: I had a ton of trouble building macruby a few weeks ago :(
19:34:00tenderloveDefiler: I haven't tried yet
19:34:03Defilerlet me know if you get it built
19:34:12evani don't bother trying anymore
19:34:17evani just use the precompiled ones
19:34:28tenderlovei was using the precompiled ones
19:34:39tenderlovebut lzr's username is in all the debugging symbols
19:34:42tenderloveerr lrz
19:34:49DefilerYeah, that's a hassle
19:34:59tenderloveand I found boogs
19:35:06tenderloveso gdb was basically useless
19:35:57evaneven with the symbols it's going to be very hard
19:36:04evanbecause you can't step through any ruby code
19:36:18evanyou'll have to debug ruby methods as the x86 assembly level.
19:36:24evans/as/at/
19:38:32tenderloveevan: I *think* it was boogs in C functions
19:38:35tenderloveI'm not sure though
19:38:45tenderloveI mean, how can you tell with *no* debugger? :-/
19:39:12evanyou can still debug it
19:39:19evanyou just can't see where you are in a method usually.
19:39:25tenderloveright
19:46:03dbussinkevan: maybe it's a good idea to reopen #114, just so it isn't forgotten
19:46:12evani can't
19:46:17evanyou can't repoen issues :/
19:46:41dbussinkevan: hmm, ok, maybe create a new similar one then :P
19:47:05evanthats fixed
19:47:09evanhave you retested it?
19:47:15evani found the linux bug and fixed it
19:48:19dbussinkevan: ah ok, cool, i'll check again then
19:48:29evanit was a crash inside LLVM
19:48:35evani was using some APIs wrong.
19:48:44evandamn iterator invalidators!
19:53:11tenderloveevan: you can reopen issues
19:53:14tenderloveit's possible
19:53:18tenderloveI figured out how
19:53:19evanshow
19:53:54tenderloveclick "closed" so you see the list view of closed issues
19:54:19tenderlovecheck the checkbox next to the one that you want to repoen
19:54:52evanand then?
19:55:00tenderlovehttp://skitch.com/aaron.patterson/nct5c/issues-tenderlove-nokogiri-github
19:55:08brixenthe Actions dropdown at the top has an Open option
19:55:20tenderlovetotal pita
19:55:25brixenbut it doesn't have it if you are looking at a specific ticket
19:55:27brixenlame
19:55:34evanah! so it does.
19:55:36tenderloveespecially if you have lots of closed tickets
19:56:01evanbrixen: you going to cancel clear.com?
19:56:10brixenyeah, I did this morning
19:56:16brixentook me > 30 min to do so
19:56:21brixenwhich makes me steaming mad
19:56:31brixenhate hate shitty cust care
19:57:15brixenI'm like 1.5 diagonal city blocks from a tower in the suburbs
19:57:23brixenthe tallest building is 3 stories
19:57:26brixenand some trees
19:57:35brixenand I was getting 0.5 Mbps tops
19:58:08evanyeah, i'm not surprised.
19:58:11evansadly.
20:04:12dbussinkevan: #114 isn't failing for me anymore too, so i assume it's all fine now
20:04:21evangood good.
22:03:36seydargreetings to those who aren't on vacation
22:03:45rueHi
22:04:36seydarrue!
22:04:42seydari put your name on my math project
22:04:53seydari mean, along with mine and my partner's
22:04:59seydarso we'll see if you really do bring good luck
22:05:05rueJinxed.
22:07:52seydarwe'll soon find out
22:08:02seydarso far every math project that has had your name on it has scored an A
22:11:39seydarso winter formal is tomorrow. i have strategically picked a date that won't show up drunk and ditch me. what do i get as a corsage?
22:11:56seydarand to justify this OT question, i'm testing amp on rbx
22:14:59brixenseydar: woot! how's it working?
22:15:33Defilerseydar: hair and eye color of your date?
22:15:50seydari'm rebuilding rbx atm. and blonde and blue
22:15:58seydarred dress
22:16:02seydarmade sure to call and get that
22:17:02Defilerhrm
22:17:37Defilersmall red rose and white lily maybe?
22:18:09Defileror red rose + gardenia
22:18:18Defilerbut some people don't like things that smell that good
22:18:29evansomething that won't fall off
22:18:32evanthusly something not big.
22:18:40evanthats the #1 problem with highschool corsages.
22:18:56DefilerYeah, I guess that's why calla lilies are popular
22:18:58evanunless modern science has solved this problem.
22:18:59Defilercompact and durable
22:19:09evanin the years since I was myself a highschool student.
22:19:19seydaroh yeah you're 30 now, right?
22:19:31evani am.
22:19:59Defilerpro action would be to find an orchid that is mostly white and has blue accents, stick it with a pair of small red roses
22:20:09Defilerbut you run the risk of picking a blue that doesn't match her eyes
22:21:09evanor, since you're on the east coast
22:21:13evanfly your ass to Holland now
22:21:19evanget some real flowers.
22:21:20DefilerWrong season :(
22:21:26seydarDefiler: you're in holland?
22:21:28evanthey're still better over there.
22:21:36seydarno, dbussink is in holland
22:21:36DefilerNo, but I know when the flowers grow :)
22:21:43evani guess most flowers are stored in deep freeze right now
22:21:56evanto sustain our flower hungry economy until Spring.
22:21:59Defilerit's all greenhouses anyway
22:22:07Defilerin holland, they cut the flowers and toss them on the side of the road
22:22:08seydargetting the orchid + red roses thing sounds like a ridiculous amount of effort
22:22:12Defilerbecause they are growing them for the bulbs
22:22:15seydari'll investigate it tomorrow
22:22:57evanDefiler: the roads sound pretty.
22:22:59Defilerhttp://ww11.1800flowers.com/product.do?baseCode=16703&cm_cid=o
22:23:01Defilerthey are
22:23:06Defilerhttp://ww11.1800flowers.com/product.do?baseCode=16717&cm_cid=o
22:23:14Defileryou could buy those two and mix+match
22:23:23evandbussink: stop leaving your flowers on the road side!
22:23:33seydaroh my god $40?
22:23:35DefilerThough I would keep shopping for a better orchid variety
22:23:37seydaris that normal?
22:23:43evanfor a good corsage? yeah.
22:23:44Defilerorchids are bux sadly
22:23:54evanyou could just throw a snowball in her face
22:23:56evanthats free.
22:24:19seydarthat sounds unwise, but i'll do that because i trust you
22:24:21Defileror velcro some things you found growing on the roadside to a wristband on the way to pick her up
22:24:37seydari feel like i am lacking sympathizers.
22:24:41DefilerDepending on the girl, that could actually be the #1 option
22:24:46seydari will accept defeat and find $40
22:24:54DefilerSeriously though..
22:24:57evanseydar: what crowd does this girl hang out with?
22:25:06DefilerYou can't really screw up the corsage thing unless you get something that just doesn't work with the dress
22:25:10evandweebs? jocks? majorettes?
22:25:10Defileror that she is allergic to
22:25:24evanyes, at my highschool, majorettes are an entire subgenre.
22:25:25seydarevan: nerds
22:25:27Defilerand white goes with everything, and red roses always go with red dresses
22:25:28Defilerforever
22:25:56evanseydar: what makes someone a nerd these days?
22:26:01evanit can't be "playing with computers"
22:26:03evaneveryone does that.
22:26:15seydarhaha no. she's a french nerd, and so is her crowd
22:26:20DefilerIt's probably still "revealing that you wonder how they work" heh
22:26:21seydaroh deary me. http://pastie.org/752467
22:26:34seydarevan: actually a french/literature nerd, to be precise
22:26:50evanseydar: you can't use 1.9 to build rubinius currently.
22:26:55evanand you've hit a 1.9 crash bug
22:27:06seydarshucks. rebuilding
22:27:17evanoh, no wait.
22:27:18evanthats funny
22:27:22DefilerMy crash reporter count for ruby 1.9 today is 10
22:27:23evananyway
22:27:29evanseydar: my mistake
22:27:29Defilerslow day for 1.9, normally it crashes more
22:27:40evanseydar: but you need to go into each external_libs directory
22:27:43evanand clean them out
22:27:52evani suspect you haven't built in a while.
22:28:14Defilerseydar: make sure you don't have any important files in the rbx directory that aren't checked in
22:28:22Defilerand then you can do git clean -f -d -x
22:28:29Defiler(warning, very sharp knife)
22:29:05Defilerto see what is being ignored, you can do "git ls-files --others -i --exclude-standard"
22:29:23Defiler(I have those aliased to 'git nuke' and 'git ignored', respectively)
22:29:58seydarshameless self-promotion: amp status -y | ruby -ryaml - e 'YAML::load(STDIN)[:unknown].each {|f| File.delete f }'
22:31:05evandoes amp support git yet?
22:31:11evanseemed to be hg only
22:31:12seydarnot yet
22:31:14evanlast I looked.
22:31:39seydarwe're working on getting a common api. schacon expressed interest in making the support
22:31:56seydarso we're just gonna get the API up and running and then we can gang up on git
22:44:24seydarok, more issues: http://pastie.org/752483
22:44:32seydari'm pretty sure i didn't build rbx with 1.9
22:44:37seydarbecause it built properly
22:44:47seydarand found no indication that it was built with 1.9
22:45:42evanseydar: did you do make clean in external_libs/libtommath?
22:45:53evanif your clone is old and you haven't done a build in a while
22:45:56evani'd suggest a fresh clone.
22:46:05seydari did a generic 'rake clean'
22:46:10evanyeah
22:46:11evanthats the problem
22:46:16evanyou didn't follow what I said
22:46:18evannor Defiler
22:46:30seydari assumed rake clean would cover it. evidently i was wrong
22:46:38evanyes, you were wrong.
22:48:26brixenseydar: rake distclean
22:49:33evaneven that doesn't work.
22:49:41evanoh wait, maybe it does.
22:49:45evani don't recall.
22:49:46evananyway.
22:52:22brixenif it doesn't, we should make it work
22:52:29evanyep.
22:52:32brixenit's worked for me lately
22:52:37evank
22:52:41brixenso I'd be glad to hear it doesn't
22:52:44brixenso we can fix it :)
22:53:29brixenprobably doesn't handle llvm, but not sure what to even do with that
22:53:37brixensay an old svn version in external_libs
22:54:26Defileryeah, distclean is tricky because in a perfect world you want it to work on a year-old clone
22:54:30DefilerI like git nuke :)
22:54:43evanperhaps we should make distclean use 'git clean'
22:54:53evanrake extremely:tidy
22:55:16Defilerrake start_over_with_the_cockroaches
22:55:52seydarwhat's the difference between rake clean and rake distclean
22:55:58seydarand when should I use one over the other
22:56:10evanif rake clean doesn't work
22:56:11evanuse distclean
22:56:13evanthats the rule.
22:56:14Defilerclean sets up a rebuild of rbx itself and its built-in stuff
22:56:26Defilerdistclean tries to scrub everything, including external libraries
22:57:01Defilergit ls-files --others -i --exclude-standard
22:57:11Defilerwill show you what distclean has NOT removed
22:58:15brixenamp's tag line should be "amqp without the queue" just to confuse people
22:58:20brixenand so I can laugh :)
22:58:30slavahi brixen
22:58:34brixenhey slava
22:58:48seydaraloha slava
23:00:20brixenamp - advanced manipulation protocol, for your filez yo
23:00:45brixenseydar: you getting this heh
23:00:52seydarhahaha yea i am
23:01:17seydarwe named it after meth because a nearby town used to be the meth capitol of new england
23:01:26brixengrand
23:01:34seydari don't like how we advertise ourselves as "revolutionary", but that wasn't my choice
23:01:39brixena little long for a tag line, but great for a FAQ
23:01:53seydaramp --help says "some more crystal, sir?"
23:01:59brixenheh
23:02:07seydara little tidbit that made it past final inspection before the first release
23:02:14brixensweet
23:02:30seydarhow long does it take for you to to do rake build after a distclean?
23:03:06brixena few minutes
23:03:11brixennot too long
23:10:20seydarwoot! it works!
23:10:24seydarfor the most part
23:10:42seydaramp isn't working right on this box under MRI, but most of it works
23:10:51seydarbizounces
23:10:54seydarlater skaters
23:45:35slavabrixen: what's new in rbx land
23:46:27brixenslava: writing a guarded rm_r function that shouldn't remove your entire disk on accident
23:47:31brixenslava: how's the gcc extension removal going?
23:52:25evanoh no
23:52:29evana case of the afternoon blahs.